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    Default Re: 1.6 Timing belt change (rough guide)

    Excellant Guide Roy, Thank-You, keep up the good work!
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    Default Re: 1.6 Timing belt change (rough guide)

    Quote Originally Posted by roylovelock View Post
    How to change the 1.6 Timing belt

    If your not mechanically minded DONT even attempt to do this job. Its not for the every day diy mechanic - you will need to know how the engines work (even I had some issues but i will go into them later).
    Tools Needed.
    Special first...
    1. Correct Cam Locking tool (essential) - cost me £150 (made by sealey)
    2. Crank Locking tool - £20 - this is also made by sealey, but the one they recomend wouldnt fit until i took an angle grinder to it. - this job would have been impossible without this tool

    Hi Roy, great interesting guide. I did my 1.8 last year and your quote "If your not mechanically minded DONT even attempt to do this job. Its not for the every day diy mechanic" is spot on, it was real b*tch of a job to do.

    However, and please note, certainly not to 'pee on your chips', may I add a few memories from doing my 1.8 (maybe slight differences to the 1.6), which could help anyone rash enough to want to do theirs.

    Firstly I didn't use any cam locks or even touch the top of the engine at all, As the cam locks perform two functions (1) to keep the timing alignment with no belt, and (2) to stop the cams turning against valve spring pressure . I got around this by simply marking the cam wheels with a centre punch against existing marks on the inner cam case for one cam, and making a new marks for the other cam. From memory there was already a mark on the crank (maybe I used the keyway) which aligned with a commensurate existing 'feature' on the case. To turn the cams I just used spanners on the cam nuts.
    Secondly, I don't think I had to remove the crankshaft pulley(s). I seem to remember that the pulley wheels seperated from the cranshft 'nut', and that with the pulleys off, I could access the drive gear teeth on the crankshaft (although maybe that's a 1.8 difference?). Anyway, I certainly didn't use (don't have) a cranshaft lock.
    Thirdly, that the setting of the timing belt tension was the most challenging part of the job (your 1.6 picture looks similar but different to the 1.8) and I remember managing to set the tensioning pulley into correct tension by levering on a long screwdriver which was pulling some 200lb fishing line tied to the pully. OK 'somewhat heath robinson' but it worked.
    Lastly as my engine was 5 years old, but had only 38,000 on it, I only changed the belt itself which (an Alfa part) off of ebay was about £20. In fact that was actually all I spent on the whole job (+ about 5 hours work).

    Over a year later it's still running fine, so I don't think there was much wrong with the water pump, variator, or belt pulleys (or my spannering).

    Certainly if I was paying for someone to do the job then having the other parts renewed at the same time would be good sense. However if you are mad enough to 'diy' then follow the engineers motto 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.

    Anyway, a truly excellant guide from you which took patience to compile, as I know that when your in the heat of things, the last thing you want/remember to do is to stop and take pictures.

    Ciao

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    Default Re: 1.6 Timing belt change (rough guide)

    thanks peasy,
    i read though and yes it could have been done without the locking tools BUT if you get that wrong then its bye bye top end, i had the belt on and off more times than i like to admit checking and double checking - also doubting myself. the markings on the cam sprockets are very vague, they are two little lines that match up to the cover (which is off during the cambelt change). i suppose you could mark it up some other way but as i already said it too easy to get it wrong.
    There was no nut on the cam pulleys to access only the bolts as seen in the pics, i was looking to try and remove the cam pulleys but without the correct pulley locking tool its impossible to do, there is nothing behind the pulleys to lock them in position and the locking tools wont hold them if you exert that much torque against them. i wanted to losen them so i could do all the tensioning using the crank.

    Getting the belt tensioned is a royal pain, i ended up putting the crank just off top dead (about a tooth or two in the end i think) then putting the belt in place and then setting it to tdc, this tensioned the belt up after a few hit and misses.

    as for the crank pulley, on the 1.6 there are no ways around it, it has to come off, you cannot possibly put the new belt on the crank with the pulley in place.

    i think the 1.6 and 1.8 engines may look similar but in reality there are some big differences.

    I would never do the job without changing all the tensioners tbh - they may look and feel ok but if one fails thats it - engine gone. the water pump on the 1.6 is on the aux belt so i left that for another day, but if it does fail i dont have to remove the cambelt to fix it - i think the 1,8 is actually on the cambelt setup.

    im an mechanical engineer (ex) (railway is actually my trade) but for me preventative is the keyword, if it aint broke is a dangerous or costly saying on the railways and ive carried this over to my private life as well. sods law comes to mind - and im a major sufferer of that law!!! :)
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