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    Exclamation ABZSTILO - update on remap woes & stuff

    Folks,
    As some will have gathered I gave up trying to get GSR or Red Dot to answer my queries about why I got the occasional 'beep beep beep' engine warning light stuff.
    Now I removed the GSR induction kit to see if that made a difference. It didn't, in fact if I find a slightly quieter non-dual core cone filter a much modified GSR induction may well find itself re-fitted to the silver beastie at some point. We'll see, it is nice and quiet at the moment
    So in truth, there's nowt wrong with the GSR induction the fault lies with the remap..... hmmmmmmmmmmm

    The significant thing is the physical properties of the actual remap itself. Now it just so happens that I was recently promoted and have moved to Inverness (well, not quite yet moved but that's another story) and it just so happens I have a top contact at the Fiat dealers there.

    The silver beastie has had to go in for a couple of things (airbag warning light) and I got them to see what it was that made the car unhappy (on occasion). The answer has been narrowed down completely to the amount of boost that the Red Dot remap applies. The standard Fiat 'brain' and sensors don't like it one little bit, although oddly when stuck on the diagnostic machine the car is trying to tell it that the map is running no boost what so ever

    Anyway, my contact is going to see if there is a boost sensor that will fit the JTD but allow a wider boost 'map' than is standard. Can't say when this will happen but if/when it does results will appear here first.

    In the meantime, I'm more pissed off that the windscreen wiper linkage just broke. Bummer

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    Default Re: ABZSTILO - update on remap woes & stuff

    Abz,
    Have you checked the Turbo pressue Sensor, very common that they develop a fault, mainly due to where they are positioned. (Very low where they are very easily soaked etc)

    May just be coincidence that you had the remap done, and now this problem arises (??)
    Also i am struggling to see how the diagnostic machine would tell you if the vehicle was running any boost at all, surely they would have to actually perform a specific test for that, and in anyway, the vehicle would ideally need to be under load for the tests to be worth anything.
    I would however check that sensor, and if you have to replace it, then move it higher up near the battery box where it will be much happier!
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    Most JTD owners have that valve relocated under the battery tray crosshairs..not only Abz has had the problem with Red dot maps..

    Mapping has been done by other companies on the JTD and the problem of engine lights hasn't happened..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNL View Post
    Most JTD owners have that valve relocated under the battery tray crosshairs..not only Abz has had the problem with Red dot maps..

    Mapping has been done by other companies on the JTD and the problem of engine lights hasn't happened..
    OOOOOOOooooooooooo,
    Ok, Abz have you considered returning the vehicle to standard, Does Red Dot not offer any satisfaction guarentee's, Have your tried a different Company, or even an alternative, like a good quality digi tuning box (once returned to standard).

    I would take it back and tell them whats up ahave it reverted to ori, and go somewhere else, or ry something different.
    Sorry P, but his post wasn;t very clear, and its not for me to suggest that some tuners cause more problems than the ysolve.
    The Valve issue!, well it was only a "suggestion"!
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    just sounds like your map sensor is going over-range and hence reading zero, i think yours is a 2.5 bar sensor it can be possibly replaced with the 3 bar map sensor off the jtd 16v but you may have to modify the plug as the 3 bar is a 4 wire as it measures temp as well.
    have you had the map sensor off to clean or tried replacement std.
    try reading these
    http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tunin...-i-pick-3.html

    http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tunin...-pressure.html

    hope these may help you to find your problem
    any chance you can put a boost gauge in line to get a real boost reading?
    dont forget
    2.5 bar sensor reads upto 1.5 bar above atmospheric (approx 22psi)
    3.0 bar sensor reads upto 2.0 bar above atmospheric (approx 29psi)

    my jtd16v std boost never goes above 26psi well away from its 29psi sensor limit
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    Cheers for the suggestions, the boost valve has long since been relocated and replaced - and replaced again just in case it was the culprit.
    Just so you know, this has been a long running 'issue' which I've not really touched on for some time.

    Quote Originally Posted by crosshairs View Post
    Ok, Abz have you considered returning the vehicle to standard
    Yes, but to date no reply from Red Dot - by email or in writing

    Quote Originally Posted by crosshairs View Post
    Does Red Dot not offer any satisfaction guarentee's,
    Clearly, in my case, not. Although to be fair if I lived in Essex I'm sure they would honour their return to standard if it all turns to rat shit guarantee

    Quote Originally Posted by crosshairs View Post
    Have your tried a different Company, or even an alternative, like a good quality digi tuning box (once returned to standard).
    I have toyed with the idea of getting an alternate map via another company. My location (Aberdeenshire and now Inverness) tends to make locating tuners offering what I'm looking for tricky. I could go to Fiat and get a standard map put back on the car, but then I'd be losing some 35bhp which I'd miss all too quickly. I have steered well clear of tuning boxes before and wouldn't consider them as a first option.

    Quote Originally Posted by crosshairs View Post
    I would take it back and tell them whats up ahave it reverted to ori, and go somewhere else, or ry something different.
    Too far, 1500+ mile round trip and possibly no help when I get there. Like I said in line one, no return contact from the tuners (sadly).

    Quote Originally Posted by crosshairs View Post
    Sorry P, but his post wasn;t very clear, and its not for me to suggest that some tuners cause more problems than the ysolve.
    My bad on that one - it's such a long story that has crossed three forums (including this sites predecessor) I tend to forget not everyone who reads my more recent posts is familiar with the tale.

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    Default Re: ABZSTILO - update on remap woes & stuff

    Have you tried calling them mate?

    020 8912 2354
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    States on thier site they are in the process of moving shop, may use that as an excuse for not answering your email. You'll need to be quick or they'll write you off, and dont let on you;ve been toying with your motor to ascertain whats up else they "may" blame any problems on your investigative process Hmmmmmm.

    Demand back to Ori and get a tuning box, maybe a nice one from Elitetuning ;) ;)

    (j/k) let us know how you get on mate
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    i can recommend the elite tuning units, get one of them they are great!
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    Default Re: ABZSTILO - update on remap woes & stuff

    I would get your vehicle back to standard and make sure its running fine and take things from there.

    You could have a go at backing up the ecu as is and re-writing an original file back to the ECU. There are risks involved but it will save you money, or you could maybe get a tuner to do this for you?

    When you know the car is running fine with the mods you have done then get it remapped, by someone who can make the required changes and maybe even tweak it for using a different MAP.

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    Default Re: ABZSTILO - update on remap woes & stuff

    Although the beastie has been running well of late (only the very occasional beep beep beep bloody beep beep) I am considering returning it to standard and having a chat with elite about a box...... on the recommendation of one or two folk who have got in touch via this and one or two other forums.
    We'll see. I do have a 'contact' at my local Fiat dealer who is going to investigate how much it'll cost to reset the car to a standard map at a friendly rate
    Mind you, I'd miss that extra ooomph.... but for my own sanity I really need to get to the bottom of the problem.

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